The humorous point in my case is that the TB is identical at the Gen three 3SGE TB even so the manifold produced a lot of the change. I don?t even miss the ACIS at this time. Tomg said: Didnt they go even bigger ports over the caldina relative to the first/next gen 3sge?. So i received a Gen1 3sge intake mani that i'm eager to bolt as much as my Ge